Maybe A Therapist Can Help

The ups and the downs in the world of diminished ovarian reserve.

I have been so excited for my blog friends who have gotten pregnant using their own eggs or donor eggs.  I was particularly excited for Maddie.  She went through a hell of a time banking her eggs for many cycles because of her husband’s sperm issues.  She eventually had to use donor sperm to fertilize all the eggs that she tirelessly saved up for a long time.  She got her first BFP ever in her life only to find not-so-good news at her first ultrasound.  It has not been confirmed yet but the situation doesn’t look good.  My heart breaks for her.  I was overjoyed when I learned that she was pregnant.  I hate it so much that this already difficult journey is not smooth sailing for her.  I know I project a lot of my hopes and dreams on her because of the similarity of our situation.  I really didn’t want her to experience the chemical pregnancy/early miscarriage that we all dread.  If you have a moment, could you please go give Maddie some love and hugs?

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I have so many questions in my head for the next steps.

I had two phone consultation last week with the clinic that suggested egg donation for me.    I did it just for the heck of it.  I want to see what a donor egg cycle entails with this particular clinic just to see how doable it is.  The first one was with the nurse coordinator.  During the hour-long phone call, I learned a dizzying amount of information regarding donor egg cycles.  I have been reading the Insider’s Guide to Egg Donation so I am not unfamiliar with the process.  However, it is still a lot to learn.  This particular doctor/clinic requires specialty blood tests to be done for anti-phospholipid antibodies, natural killer cell assay, and TH1/TH2 intracellular cytokines.  This costs $1322 for the lab in Chicago and $55 for this clinic to send the blood over.  The coordinator also explained the difference between frozen egg cycles vs. fresh egg cycles and what each entails.  It seems like each batch of frozen egg costs from $10,000 to $15,000 depending on the agency, and a fresh donor cycle will cost $5000 to $10,000 for the donor compensation and $15,000 for agency fees. That doesn’t include the fees for the clinic.

The second phone call was for a financial consultation with the same clinic.  They offer frozen egg cycles and fresh donor egg cycles.  I learned how much everything cost for this one particular clinic.  There is a choice of frozen egg cycle, which is the least expensive.  It follows by a single fresh egg cycle.  The most expensive option is the shared responsibility plan that refunds 90% of part of the fees if you don’t get pregnant after transferring all the embryos.  The kicker is that the full fee that you end up paying is $12000 more than the package price that is quoted.  These are fees for necessary procedures such as ICSI, assisted hatching, culture for embryos, etc.  You would’ve been fooled by the fee structure published on the website.

I was quite shocked at the sticker price for a whole IVF cycle with donor eggs.  I originally thought that it’d cost about $35000 for a fresh donor egg cycle.  Now I have to rethink the whole thing.  I know I can do frozen egg cycles.  We do want to have two kids though, so it seems like a fresh donor cycle that goes well has the most potential of giving us multiple embryos and a chance to freeze.  I have a problem with paying this clinic so much money as their success rate isn’t even the best.  UCSF’s donor egg cycle success rate is even better than theirs.

With this new information, I have become more reluctant with the thought of exhausting all of our IVF fund on mini-IVF cycles with my own eggs.  What if they don’t work?  Then we’ll have to spend many many months saving up again.  So I told Bob that maybe we should do at most three mini-IVF cycles in order to leave some money for egg donation if those fail.  He told me to take some time to think about it as he wants to do as many cycles as I desire.

I have been doing research on other clinics that have a good reputation with donor egg cycles.  S.DFC seems to be a good choice.  R.BA is a bit too far away for me.  I would love to talk to the ladies who are cycling at these places or have cycled and have found success.  Egg donation in the States is so pricey.  I joke with Bob about having a donor with blonde hair and blue eyes as we learned about Aramis’ wonderful news with her donor egg cycle in the Czech Republic.  We doubt that we can find a donor with black hair and brown eyes there, but the cycles are so much more affordable.

The interesting thing is how open my mother is to this idea.  I shared with her about my various online friends’ life and mentioned about Aramis’ success.  She said excitedly, “You should go try too!”  I asked her if she realized that it’d be most likely with a donor who is of European descent.  As first she was taken aback by it and said to find an Asian donor first.  I joked with her and asked, “What if we really decide to go for a cycle in the Czech Republic?”  Her answer surprises and warms my heart. She said, “As long as you and Bob think that this is the right choice.  We’ll be 100% supportive and will love the baby all the same.”  I had never expected or imagined my mother to be so open with her thoughts.  She is a Chinese parent after all.  To me, it shows how much she loves me and how much she wants the best for us.  She told me to let her know when we get pregnant.  I said, it’ll most likely be four months into the pregnancy.  She was again very much okay with it, as long as we tell her.  Bob said that his mother would’ve demanded to know right away (if I were an Indian daughter-in-law).  My mom has a beautiful soul.

Anyways, back to my decisions.  At this point, it’s not simply (which is not simple at all) about choosing donor eggs vs. own eggs and SoCal vs. UCSF.  It’s about how many mini-IVF cycles we do so that we leave some money for donor egg cycles knowing the cost.  Our preference is not to borrow money so saving up money is the only way.  I am very grateful that we’re in the financial position to save up.  It doesn’t come very easily and we have to make good choices financially along the way so we can achieve our goal faster.  Bob has the vision, intensity, and the passion to save up towards this goal.  I feel this very heavy financial burden while we get ready for our next cycle.

I think I am leaning towards UCSF.  However, I have irrational (or not so irrational) fear that I am not doing the best I can and taking the “easy” way out (again, it’s not at all easy) if I don’t bank embryos for 6 or 9 cycles in SoCal.  Am I not trying my best if I don’t go the difficult, stressful, but maybe more promising route?  Is SoCal actually a more promising route?  One lady who got pregnant after banking many cycles in SoCal actually transferred a day two embryo (that was immature to begin with) for her first transfer instead of the other blastocysts that she banked.  My point is, it wasn’t Life’s good culture for growing blastocysts that made it possible for her to be pregnant.  It was the normal egg and an element of luck plus her good lining.  So it could happen to me at UCSF as well if we bank and transfer day 2 or day 3 embryos.

Instead of going crazy with my questions, I searched and found a therapist who specializes in infertility and even third party reproduction.  I wrote her an email and was pleasantly surprised to find that 1) her clinic is a few blocks away from my work, 2) she has evening hours, and 3) her rate is reasonable.  Ever since Bob switched to small companies, we don’t get coverage for therapy anymore and we’ll have to pay out of pocket.  I am happy that he’s very open to it. (See, he’s reasonable when it comes to important things and to him, flowers are not important.)  Anyhow, the therapist and I had a phone intake.  It was a fresh breath of air to know that she didn’t need me to explain anything about IVF or egg donation.  I just told her my history and she knew exactly what I was talking about.  We made an appointment for our first session next Wednesday.  I would really like this time with a professional to sort out my thoughts and feelings regarding this whole thing.  I love talking to various friends but I think it’s about time to talk with a professional.  At the end of the phone call, she asked me what insurance we had. I told her that we had Ka.iser which does not cover for mental health outside of Ka.iser.   She gave me a $20 discount, stating that it’s unfair for Ka.iser patients that they don’t get reimbursement.  That was so nice!  It’s still a lot of money but I think it’ll be helpful for us.

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Wow that’s a load of information.  Ladies who have gone to S.DFC or R.BA, could I get some input from you?  Thanks in advance!

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19 thoughts on “Maybe A Therapist Can Help

  1. Thanks for the love, Isabelle. You’re so wonderful supporting me and cheering me on. More than anything, I want you to get the happy ending that eluded me. Reading this post was like reading my own thoughts, only better researched. And I, too am tempted to fly to the Czech Republic to find something close to Aramis’s amazing expedience. Thanks again for your love and care, it means everything. So many hugs.

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  2. Wow how wonderful that your mom is so open and supportive! I wish you much luck with your decision process. I celebrated both Maddie and Aramis pregnancies with my whole heart too as they gave me such hope that DOR doesn’t always win. We’re also at a point where donor eggs are looking like our best option and like you I am shocked by the prices in the States and seriously considering going Aramis’ Czech route. I enjoy reading about your decision making process, you’ve mentioned different things that I hadn’t considered and I appreciate your thoroughness. Thank you.

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    • Thank you! I just went to visit your blog and am catching up with your story. Sorry about the cramps and backaches. I really hope that they are signs of a pregnancy rather than AF. This journey is so tough….

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  3. It sounds like the wheels are turning and you’re being thoughtful about exploring every route! I’m grateful that you have the support of your husband and your family, and yeah, I think a therapist is helpful for sorting through this stuff. Wishing you well always!

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    • You’re right my friend. The wheels are definitely turning and I am thinking of all the possibilities for bringing us home a baby. Still skeptical about my own eggs but you won’t know until you try, right? I just don’t know how many cycles I can throw in the money for my own eggs…. I am hopeful that this therapist can help me sort things out. Hope you’re well!

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  4. I think it’s great that you found a therapist who knows IF and it’s treatments. My therapist did not (though I taught her a lot) and it was still incredibly helpful to have someone who was paid to listen to me – I went weekly during treatment. I would reccomend “having your baby through egg donation” as I think it is the most thorough book on the subject. I have not used those particular clinics but let me know (or check out my early blog posts) If you want any insight into the process

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    • I went back to read your blog posts about how you chose your donor. Wow girl! You were so thorough! I don’t really think we’ll have too many choices since I am not caucasian. I don’t know if that’s good or bad. There seems to be so many caucasian donors but just a handful of Chinese. When you contacted the agencies, did you have to pay for them to send you the profiles of potential donors? Do you remind if I write you emails in regards to this process? Thanks a bunch! I know you’re busy with your little ones. Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting!

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      • Please email me! Nogoodeggs at gmail dot com. My opinion is that having limited options will be good for your sanity! And you do it all online, but you usually have to call or do an online screening first to get access to the donor profiles.

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  5. Good for you for recognizing when you and Bob need extra help and going to a therapist (who is familiar with the issues). Do any of the clinics you’ve researched have a therapist on staff? Our clinic does – we only ended up meeting with her once after the failed cycle but if we had proceeded with egg donation/embryo adoption seeing her would have been mandatory.

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    • I don’t even know if UCSF has a therapist on staff. I know that the clinic that suggests donor eggs does, but I wasn’t gonna go there since I am not going to cycle with them. If we use donor eggs, we’ll have to see someone at least once as well.

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  6. Actually, our donor had BROWN hair and blue eyes, thank you very much. 😉 The Czech population actually seemed pretty diverse physically, they weren’t all Nordic blondes or anything. I think you could find a dark haired dark eyed donor no problem (although yes, Asian would be harder). Or you could look into other destinations that seem to be popular on the forums, like Spain or Cyprus or even Mexico. Maybe talk to Gypsy Mama about that one, if you follow her? It would be super quick travel for you where you are. Either way, while I’m a tad uncomfortable with people celebrating my “success” just yet, I’m glad that it’s helping people consider options they might not have known about otherwise. DOR is truly such a hard diagnosis because of the low chances of success; I think we all stick together because we see ourselves in each other and any one success gives us all hope. Which I still have for you. Take your time and figure out the best thing for you. Oh and since I didn’t get to say it before, happy belated 40th!!

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    • Ha. Point taken. Yeah I will continue to look into it. In the meantime, we’ll see how my eggs do. I haven’t thought about cycling in Mexico or Cyprus. Since you suggested these other places, I started looking in Asia but haven’t found anything so far. I am so hopeful for you that this is it for your take home baby!

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  7. I don’t know much past the icsi/ivf route, but I’m so thankful to be reading your updates and pray for strength and direction. These choices are so hard! Big hugs to you!

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